I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. my system, SACD sounds better than DVD-A, because I'm playing SACDs on a Sony AX777ES, and playing DVD-As on a Yamaha DVD-S1200. SACD's can tend to have better mastering and transfer than standard CD releases of the same album. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. It’s appalling the crap they’re releasing to kids these days… Cheap recycled vinyl, pushing the acetate to the limit or until it’ ground in some spots. SACD vs. All we need here is a study showing listeners preferred the 24/192 version of an album over its 16/44 counterpart in a rigorous study. However, we find a significant variation of the levels of the top of the spectrum (above 15 kHz) due to an equalization or to the burning head (red zone). For vinyl I currently have the 2009 Classic 200g, I think mastered by Grundman. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. It. culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. The other thing to keep in mind is that SACD is a format in its infancy. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. It is a high-resolution digital. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". McLover, Apr 26, 2012 #2. #6. If you prefer extended frequency in the. 2. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. SACD. Hello, I have never listened to a SACD system and would like to know how it compares to vinyl. This is pure DSD sound to applaud! Axis: Bold As Love, the sensational sophomore release of the Jimi Hendrix Experience, showcased Hendrix's expansive experimentation while acknowledging his early R&B and soul music influences. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more,. Maybe but so far my experience with mofi's SACD vs vinyl has not been good for SACS. however you need to be extra careful as there are many SACDs where the MultiCh content is not only distinct in being a different mix but a different mastering from the Stereo and that Stereo version can often just be a recycling of the current CD remaster the label had at the. Noone else has a date. One is the MFSL version which I loved. g. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Standard CDs still constitute over 94% of the market, cassettes about 5%, and vinyl LPs easily outselling both new high resolution format discs during the first half of this year 661,000 sold versus only 92,000!. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Many audiophiles choose to embrace both formats, recognizing that each. Rolling Stone ranked them No. I do have an unwrapped Cramberries (best of) SHM CD with me. 0:00 - LP2. Note the. I just don't have many detailed DVD-Audio discs. But the dramatic difference occurs in vinyl. Boy, what a difference. Claus , Feb 11, 2015 So, my completely subjective vote will go for DVD-A (or SACD). Mine arrived earlier this afternoon (GMT +8), along with Paranoid and Who's Next. Slight increase in frequency range and they also have a lot more features on the Blu-ray disc that are fun to play with. The real difference between various releases is the quality of the mastering. surround sound or multichannel sound). One is the MFSL version which I loved. Decca’s landmark recording of Wagner’s 15-hour epic, Der Ring des Nibelungen conducted by Sir Georg Solti is the most celebrated classical recording in history. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). There isn't an answer as to what sounds better it really is just personal preference. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. CDs are a digital music storage medium, meaning the music is encoded as binary data. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Tip about the 1812, the first cannon shot is the toughest of the lot to track, that one is a beastie (the Shure V 15 Type IV mounted on a SME III tonearm came closest in the day, or the Audio-Technica 440 ML). Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. SACD- smooth, mellow sound. Virtual. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Forums. And so on. The only significant differences are in noise. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". I’ve already evaluated Grundman’s mastering of Can’t Buy a Thrill in a Mini-TBVO on my blog, and I plan to evaluate every AP remaster as part of a mini or full. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Instrumental and vocal decay became more and more discernible and authentic. . The discs are digitally identical and will sound exactly the same no matter what some snake oil lovers will tell you. Sign in with Google Even the standard redbook CD (44kHz, 16 bit resolution) has about a 26dB advantage to vinyl with respect to dynamic range, and at least a 40-50 dB advantage in stereo separation as well as unmeasurable wow and flutter. Then I bought the new SACD version. 24 bit: Best of the bunch. The world's largest high-end audio community. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. Midrange is sweet. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. just WAY better than either the Blu-Spec CD or regular CD. . Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by rpd, Dec 11, 2003. . Be fun to have that and play mastering engineer. Most are remasters of jazz, blues, classical or classic rock/pop titles. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. Multi-Channel Audio: SACDs often feature multi-channel audio, allowing for surround sound experiences. I've heard people say that this album isn't recorded as well as the albums to come, and to that I disagree. Todd68, Jun 30, 2019. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Sponsor NewsMini-meet Shootout: AKG K1000 vs. I don't know which is more truthful. I voted 'Who Cares. I don't know which is more truthful. 98. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. You will enjoy the contrast and comparison. The vocals are real, the acoustic guitars are EQ'd perfectly. Warner Music [Sony Music outside Europe] today announced the upcoming release of Pink Floyd’s ‘Animals’ on Deluxe Gatefold, CD, LP, Blu-ray and SACD. It is a high-resolution digital. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 192 is significantly better and DXD (352) is even better. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. The Rhino and Audio Fidelity releases are the same mix, but different masterings. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. 1. Boy, what a difference. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . tlake6659 said: ↑. better stereo separation, etc. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. View entire discussion. Following a change in how Billboard counts sales in 2009, it re-entered the chart and has since appeared for over 900 weeks. Sample Rate: 2. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. Head Gear. DJM CD very excellent as is the MCA clone mastering of the DJM. . Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. Please, bear in mind that I have NO original vinyls to compare to, only the early CDs of Shake It Up and Greatest Hits: 1) Shake It Up - the worse pressing from the three. Stereophile SACD test Hi everybody, I've just joined this forum after reading this thread on the Stereophile test. Third - Single side Japanese SACD . Steely Dan's gold-selling fifth studio album The Royal Scam, was produced by Gary Katz and was originally released by ABC Records in 1976. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The versions are dynamic with a DR12 and from master in DSD except for the vinyl which is pure analog. Location: Finland. 98 $19. And it was a very close match with the vinyl barely winning the battle. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. Details;SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. At least they aren’t loudified. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. Hello everybody. Dec 10, 2005. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. : AREP 517787. Vinyl. Music, Musicians and Bands; Activity. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. That means engineers have a much narrower range to work with when they’re mixing and mastering the audio, and the result, for the listener, is that the stereo “image” is highly constricted. The critics used a very expensive sacd player against a very expensive turntable. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. There were two Marantz SACD players I was keeping my eye on: the 30n ($2999) and the SA-KI Ruby Signature player with DAC ($3999). SACD offers pristine, high-resolution digital audio with exceptional detail, while vinyl provides a warm, analog character and a tactile, nostalgic experience. The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. sacd superior to rbcd Login / RegisterAllowing for the quality of the youtube audio , that is pretty much what you would expect to hear from those 3 different masters and Its not really fair to say its a CD vs SACD vs Vinyl thing. Moody Blues "Question of bal. 7 to 8. Thread: SACD Vs. The SHM-SACD is still a good option because it doesn't have CSG processing. It was mastered by Bob Ludwig in December 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites. SACD. The band did NOT like it at all. Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue SACD – (out of print) – While this all time classic is available on all kinds of vinyl – you will have to make it your audiophile mission to find a used copy on SACD because it was released and it was good. I was a teen in the 60's and don't remember them sounding this bad. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. Tommyboy, May 30, 2020. Not a fair comparison. One is the MFSL version which I loved. It's not exactly chopped liver sonically as I recall, but I will likely go for the MFSL SACD as well, if only to get a nice redbook to boot. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". One is the MFSL version which I loved. Examples: AcousticSounds offers 1,614 titles on SACD and 28,670 on vinyl. jupiterboy likes this. Vinyl- whoa. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. But for myself, I think that SACD, when it is really done right (ei: A really good true DSD player, combined with either Pure-DSD recordings, or DSD from pure analog recordings) has many of the. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The 2003 hybrid SACD and the MFSL feature the original mix, but they have inferior sound to the JWH tracks which appear on. Direct Stream Digital (DSD) is a trademark used by Sony and Philips for their system for digitally encoding audio signals for the Super Audio CD (SACD). Tracks (7) Aja — Steely Dan's landmark sixth studio album reissue. Doug Sax was also involved with the mastering of these CDs. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Every time. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. Sure it has a tint, but what doesn't? Vinyl has a tint. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. If you want to try SACD on a budget (relatively), the Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu-Ray player plays SACDs (as well as DVD Audio, which does high-res surround). I’ll explain in a minute, but first I want to make sure we know what the SACD format is, and what makes it different from a standard compact disc. This is especially appealing for home theater enthusiasts. Vinyl for me. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. The real advantage of a (multichannel) SACD player is the ability to listen to the surround sound recording. Vinyl. One example is excess Volume Compression in modern music. Wave 8 Primary equipment used: AKG K1000/ASL AQ-1005 DT/ASL Wave 8/Marantz SA8260 SACD player Stax Classic System II/Music Hall MMF-5 Turntable/Creek OBH-8 (This thread is multiple forum-spanning, I just chose. . #30. On LPs, it’s 30 dB at best. I own this one along with the 1997 re-issue and a 35DP-62 Japan for US. I like SACD as a format, but it's kind of pointless for me when nothing I listen to is on it, and the few things that may peak my interest (i. I am intrigued by it but don't know if it would really give me any better quality for some recordings than what I already have. DeepDiscount has 1/25 as the release date. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. So - the SACD ain't the original, but it's a much better option than anything on vinyl except the MoFi vinyl issue. As for sound I am betting you will become a believer in the merits of vinyl. Oh and if you like SACDs, most of the masters were made on digital audio workstations that are PCM. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. Even on masterings I'm not all that happy with, the deep soundstage is there. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. I just listened closely to the MFSL SACD, the noises are audible at the end of every track. . On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. During that time, my analog front end has improved and the above-mentioned digital front end has remained the same. Boy, what a difference. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. I live near a JVC distributor and have access to many of the titles. Yes. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. Analog Format. Myke, Dec 4, 2013. Mobile Fidelity Gold CD 1988. I only have a single SHM-SACD - it’s superior compared to every format I’ve heard the title on, including the MoFI SACD. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Perfect music with one of Mozart’s greatest interpreters with the greatest orchestra. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. SACD (1999) uses completely different 1-Bit method of encoding so it is hard to extrapolate, but best guess, SACD is about. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. New media New comments Browse Albums Search media. 24. Vinyl. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. (1993 Sony Japan SRCS-6827) Pearl Jam-Yield (1998 Epic Vinyl E 68164) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1983 Toshiba Japan Black Triangle De Emph CP35-3017) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1993 EMI 20th Anniv 0777 7 81479 2 3) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 EMI SACD HR 7243 582136 2 1) Pink Floyd-The Wall (D1) (2006 EMI. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. With a storage capacity of 4. Mirror Image Forum Resident. SACD vs. #30. I do have an unwrapped Cramberries (best of) SHM CD with me. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. Next. SACD vs. 1/96/192 has little audible effect, ever hear a 20k test tone? The whole resolution. In the vinyl vs. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Vinyl. See moreSACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. Whilst many (recent) multichannel SACDs are more about ambience, others are about using the system to provide an immersive sound (e. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. My guess is that if they wanted to tweak the SACD to match the sound of the final vinyl pressing, they probably could…. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. Have GFTO on SACD and the Yes 1968 - 1987 Studio Boxset on CD. The remastering has added the humanity and warmth Mozart requires. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. It is probably a more accurate rendition of the master tape but with my turntable and on. It is overbright on SACD. 4 restitution, but in binaural, this version does not follow the fineness and the presence of the stereo vinyl and SACD versions. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Often times, the differences can seem quite small upon initial comparison, for example, the Beatles remasters in 24 bit vs. What do you think about SACD vs Vinyl in sound terms? I know it has been deiscussed but if you feel like answer me now after some years after its. It's a euphonic medium to me, at the end of the day. 1. I voted 'Who Cares. I think there's some digital filtering. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Vinyl. ) Reel-to-reel can be better, but tapes are fragile and rare, then the players have been out of production for decades and require expensive maintenance from. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering in 7. But most of us here are comfortable and familiar with it. In the vinyl vs. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. Hybrid Stereo SACD. The recording/tracking ability of vinyl is easily at least 50 kHz and perhaps as high as 100 kHz. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. 2. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. sacd vs other formats IGNORED sacd vs other formats. ”. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountMoody Blues "Question of bal. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. . They pretty much mirror each other in my opinion. . There are also the hybrid SACD discs from AP but I am not as familiar with those. in May of 1967, one week before Sgt. 00 or less 23 vote(s) 13. On the Analogue Productions SACD,. I always remember the SACD being pretty good, but I now think the vinyl destroys it. Share Jun 15, 2007 at 8:50 AM Post #29 of 33 Forest Design 100+ Head-Fier. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. 112 posts total. Then I bought the new SACD version. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. Great sounding discs are much, much more frequent than on redbook, and it comes with none of the hassles of vinyl attached, plus you can rip the redbook layer and take it. So, out of sheer desperation, I ordered the standard US CD from Amazon. All Activity; My Activity Streams . Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have their merits and drawbacks, and the choice ultimately comes down to personal taste and priorities. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. Moody Blues "Question of bal. 49. 2. I prefer digital (CD, SACD, DVD-A, BDA) but not into streaming - trying to collect the band's material on disc (especially the 70s/80s era stuff). 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. Usually, more attention was paid to the mastering of 50s and 60s LPs and currently, SACDs. 1 remixes which I love. Way. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. An independent musician needs to make CDs Disc replication vs. Half-speed mastered at Abbey Road Studios and pressed on 180g audiophile vinyl. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. . So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. 5 manual RCM then queued up one track at a time. " The album topped the Billboard chart for a week, and remained on the chart for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988. . Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. November 4th for CBAT. Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. On the Analogue Productions SACD, the treble cacophony is bathed in a cushion of hall ambience that is far more realistic and less strident. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. Nantes, France. The presence of the CD layer shouldn't affect at all (at least in principle) the reading of the SACD layer. I have to disagree with the positive remarks of the SACD's. SACD vs. SteelyTom likes this. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Every time. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountSACD vs CD-do you listen and compare SACD/CD layers on your discs? Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BSC, Apr 13, 2015. It seems that while expensive turntables, tone arms and phono stages are easily jusitifed in these type of. The original purpose was a sonic comparison of MQA to SACD in the physical realm. The SACD format allows multiple audio channels (i. . Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. S. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. For many multi-channel enthusiasts the answer is yes, because that is what they care about most.